Showing posts with label Esther Harding Conversations. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Esther Harding Conversations. Show all posts

Thursday, April 26, 2018

Carl Jung: The inferior is your master, and you must adapt yourself to it.





Dr. Jung spoke of the inferior function being united to the collective: it is just a bit of nature and, as such, must first be accepted and adapted to .... The superior function is in your hands, and you can put it to your uses.

The inferior is your master, and you must adapt yourself to it.

Yet it is nature; there is life there.

The thing that wants to be born must first be found.

The form it is to grow into shall later be the object of search, and the search may be a long one .... ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 8

Wednesday, April 25, 2018

Dr. Jung Dreams of H.G. Baynes and Winston Churchill




He twice dreamed of Baynes after his death, each time in connection with Churchill, and each time when Churchill was actually in Switzerland, though C. G. did not know this at the time.

For instance, he dreamed that he was sitting at a dinner table with Churchill or Roosevelt when a group of English officers, among whom was Baynes, in civilian clothes, came in.

At this time Churchill had landed near Zurich for his plane to refuel on his way to Africa.

A second dream was similar to the first, except that Roosevelt was not there.

This time, Churchill was spending one night in Geneva on his way to Yalta.

He told us a lot about this visit and his contact with Churchill. ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 13

Tuesday, April 24, 2018

Carl Jung: Speaking of the foolishness of the wise...




Speaking of the foolishness of the wise, he said one must always recognize it but one does not know what a dream means, especially one's own dream.

For the unconscious always finds the chink in the wall of one's own theory or built-up system.

The unconscious wants to come through into consciousness, and when we build up a systematic body of knowledge we necessarily keep the unconscious out.

Nature is just what we do not know.

So, he said, in speaking of such things it is much better to use a symbolic way of speech, for that says much more-even what you do not know yourself.

If you limit yourself to known facts, what you say may be true of the thousand other cases, but just not of this one.

The truth escapes [people who] are always trying to systematize, and they have to use power to try to convince.

One must allow one's own foolishness, for Nature is naive; there is always the joke, the just-so.

[The user of] fat words cannot put it into simple language.

He is impressed with the powerful idea and tries to impress others with it.

If he were really impressed with its reality, he would stammer and get great feelings of inferiority before it.

Every true experience of the numinosum has this effect.

But such a man is afraid to show his littleness in face of the great idea.

He gets inflated and struts.

He would be shown to be really wise if he could admit that he could say nothing in the face of the great experience. (A man who is truly in love can
only stammer, "I love you.")

And yet, he said one must make a theory or system, especially for teaching purposes, only one must not take it as representing the facts.

As an illustration of the use and limitations of a formulated system, he said, it is as though you find an uninhabited island.

You must begin at once to orient yourself.

There is a mountain over there, a group of trees here, and the coastline along there.

The mountain is perhaps ten miles away, but it may be fifteen, then your calculations will be put out.

Also you do not know how high it is, so you cannot triangulate from it.

Or there may be a river between you and it that you cannot cross.

Yet you must say, "Here is a map of the island I discovered, but, for goodness sake, don't believe it!"

And you must say the same to students when you teach them the theory of analysis. ~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 15.

Monday, April 23, 2018

Carl Jung on the Assumption of the Virgin Mary



[About the Assumption of the Virgin Mary] Jung said that she has already entered into the nuptial chamber and that thus, naturally, after a time there will be a child.

The churchmen do not realize this, nor do they consider what it will mean.

They stop at the idea that there may be some sort of feminine godhead, but do not speculate on what sort of child will be born, like the child
of the Sun-Moon Woman in the Revelation ....

Over and over again, he came back to the need for humanness.

The wise man needs to give a place to foolishness, to childishness.

Otherwise he gets above his humanity and stumbles over a stone; then he goes back and kicks the stone "that ought to have known enough to get out of the way of Mr. So-and-So, while all the time he stumbled because he was not paying enough attention to his humble reality." ~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 15

Tuesday, April 10, 2018

Carl Jung: If we are conscious, morality no longer exists.




[Carl Jung on the “Single Animus Figure.]

I began the hour by telling Jung how something wonderful had happened to me yesterday, that his talk on the animus relationship had cleared things up, so that much had clicked into place, and that now I felt quite different.

I said that yesterday we were dealing with the negative relationship to the animus, but there must also be a positive relationship.

He replied that there certainly must-but that the important part of analysis was to get that negative point cleared, for that is the growing point of differentiation from the unconscious.

Until that is clear, the voice of the animus is as the voice of God within us; in any case, we respond to it as if it were.

When we are not aware of the negative aspect of the animus, we are still animal, still connected to nature, thereforeunconscious and less than human.

We need to reach a higher degree of consciousness, which must be sought at that point.

Then we discover a new country.

And it is our responsibility to cultivate it. ("To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.")

Also the legend of Christ and the man working on the Sabbath, to whom he said, "If thou knowest what thou doest, blessed
art thou! But if thou knowest not what thou doest, cursed art thou!"

If we are conscious, morality no longer exists.

If we are not conscious, we are still slaves and are accursed if we obey not the law.

He said that if we belong to the secret church, then we belong, and we need not worry about it, but can go our own
way.

If we do not belong, no amount of teaching or organization can bring us there.

Then I asked him about a single animus figure, and he said, "Many souls are young; they are promiscuous; they are prostitutes in the unconscious and sell themselves cheaply.

They are like flowers that bloom and die and come again.

Other souls are older, like trees or palms.

They find, or must seek, one complete animus, who shall perhaps be many in one.

And when they find him, it is like the closing of an electric circuit.

Then they know the meaning of life."

"But to have an animus like an archimandrite (M.E.H. had dreamt of an abbot, an archimandrite] , is as if to say,

You are a priest of the Mysteries.

And this needs a great humility to counterbalance it.

You need to go down to the level of the mice.

And as a tree, so great as the height of its branches, so deep must be the depths of its roots.

And the meaning of the tree is neither in the roots, nor in the uplifted crown, but in the life in between them."

Then I asked him how to get the mean between the two worlds, between the world of the unconscious and that of reality.

He replied, "You are the mediator.

It is in your immediate life that they meet.

In the pleroma they are merged -in nature they are one-and the primitive is always striving up against its oneness.

The glacier is always there.

Our civilization finds an adaptation that will satisfy these things for a while, and they are quiet.

Then they begin to come up again, and again we find a new adaptation, and they are quiet once more.

Today we are in a period of great transition, and they come up again.

Eventually they will swallow man, but it will not be the same again, for he has attained the union of the opposites through their separation.

Possibly, after man will come a period of the animal and then again the plant-who knows?-and who or what will carry on the lamp of consciousness?

Who knows? ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 9-10


Wednesday, March 28, 2018

Carl Jung on "Parapsychological Phenomena"




In more than one occasion Dr. Jung talked about parapsychological phenomena.

He said he felt that the observed phenomena could only be explained with the hypothesis that time is a psychic phenomenon, i.e., a conditioning of our psyches, or of our consciousness.

If one can once get outside this ego conditioning, time becomes entirely relative, and the present moment is as if eternal.

This observation, however, does not tell us anything about immortality, or life after death.

It refers only to the quality of our experience.

He gave as evidence the variable length of experience of a measured period of time.

There is also the experience of long-continued happenings in dreams.

And the story Zimmer told of the ahant who wanted to know the karma of Vishnu and was sent to get water, then met a maiden and lived a whole lifetime, and, when he returned, found the god just finishing his cigarette!-or something of the sort.

C. G. said it was to explain such things that he formulated his theory of synchronicity, viz., that everything that occurs in any one moment is, in some way, an expression of that particular, unique moment in time, which never was before and will never recur.

He explained the falling of the yarrow sticks for the I Ching in this way.

Then he recounted several happenings that had an aptness of coincidence which caused the greatest surprise and wonder.

For instance: the woman whose dreams had held much sexual material, which she kept trying to explain symbolically, till C. G. felt he really must enlighten her; and at the next appointment two sparrows fluttered to the ground at her feet and "performed the act."

Or the patient who dreamed of a scarab, and one flew at the window ....

Then he spoke of ESP experiences, dreams of events still unknown to the dreamer, which subsequently do occur.

These dreams usually only come when the news is close at hand, rather than at the moment of occurrence ....

He related several experiences having to do with psychic phenomena connected with death of persons at a distance.

There sometimes were what he called "spooks" about; cracklings and snappings in furniture.

Occasionally, he had warning dreams about a person who was about to die, or. he felt an unseen presence at the time of their departure.

He twice dreamed of Baynes after his death, each time in connection with Churchill, and each time when Churchill was actually in Switzerland, though C. G. did not know this at the time. For
instance, he dreamed that he was sitting at a dinner table with Churchill or Roosevelt when a group of English officers, among whom was Baynes, in civilian clothes, came in.

At this time Churchill had landed near Zurich for his plane to refuel on his way to Africa.

A second dream was similar to the first, except that Roosevelt was not there.

This time, Churchill was spending one night in Geneva on his way to Yalta.

He told us a lot about this visit and his contact with Churchill.

He told us that in 1934 he had gone to Bollingen to work and had put up his yellow flag to warn Professor Fierz that he was not "at home."

He was unable to work, however.

He felt terribly depressed.

A heavy cloud seemed to oppress him.

But he kept his flag up and struggled with the oppression all day Sunday and into Monday.

At last, he pulled down the flag, feeling it was no use trying to work any longer.

Immediately, Professor Fierz came over and told him of the Nazi purge, which had taken place on Sunday morning.

He spoke of exteriorized libido: how, when there was an important idea that was not yet quite conscious, the furniture and woodwork all over the house creaked and snapped, and that Mrs. Jung was aware of it as well as he.

One time there came a sharp snap at the door just as he was falling asleep.

This was repeated, and it woke him quite up.

Then, as he began to fall asleep again, he had a vision of a fish, and, just as he lost consciousness, his wardrobe gave a great crack.

He opened his eyes to see a large fish emerging from the top corner.

He told us of his hallucinations of the Ravenna mosaics.

When they went into the piscina, he and Miss Wolff, there was a misty blue light, and through it they saw the mosaics.

They stood and discussed them for about half an hour and were amazed to find the Peter symbol, Peter walking on the water and being rescued by ·Christ, combined with the others (Moses bringing water from the rock; Jonah and the whale; the miraculous draft of fishes).

He came back and narrated this in the seminar (of 1929?).

When Dr. Meier was going to Ravenna, a year or two later, C. G. told him he must not fail to see the mosaics and to get him pictures of them, for he and Miss Wolff had failed to find any
in the town. (I was present at that seminar).

When Dr; Meier returned, he told C. G. that no such mosiacs existed.

He could not believe it.

It was only some years later that he ran across the story of the countess who had vowed to make such a gift of mosaics if she were delivered from shipwreck.

The mosaics were made, but were destroyed by fire while in nearby St. Giovani's Church.

Jung learned that a sketch does exist, but he has not seen it ....

Another time, he talked about "haunted houses."

In Africa once he heard music and the sound of people talking, though he could not distinguish the words.

The natives told him, "Those are the people who talk."

This occurred more than once to him.

And other travellers also have reported such experiences.

Always at these places there are evidences that there has at some past time been a settlement-for example, there are plants there only grown under cultivation .... ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 13-14


Tuesday, March 27, 2018

Carl Jung: The only way of delimiting the Self is by experiment.




Next he spoke of fear.

He said, "Be afraid of the world, for it is big and strong; and fear the demons within, for they are many and brutal; but do not fear yourself, for that is your Self."

I said I feared to open the door for fear the demons would come out and destroy.

He said, "If you lock them up they will as surely destroy.

The only way of delimiting the Self is by experiment.

Go as far as your desire goes, and you will presently find that you have gone as far as your own laws allow: If you feel afraid, be brave enough to run away.

Find a hole to hide in, for this is the action of a brave man and by so doing you are exercising courage.

Presently the swing of cowardice will be over, and courage will take its place."

I said, "But how hopelessly unstable and changeable you will appear!"

He replied, "Then be unstable.

A new stability will reassert itself. Does one live for other people or for oneself?

Here is the place where one must learn true unselfishness."

The law was made by man.

We made it.

It is therefore below us, and we can law above it.

As St. Paul said, "I am redeemed and am freed from the law."

He realized that, as man, he had made it. So also a contract cannot bind us, for we who made it can break it.

Thus, vice too, if entered into sincerely as a means of finding and expressing the Self, is not vice, for the fearless honesty cuts that out.

But when we are bound by an artificial barrier, or laws and moralities that have entered into us, then we are prevented from finding, or even from seeing, that there is a real barrier of the Self outside this artificial barrier.

We fear that if we break through this artificial barrier we shall find ourselves in limitless space.

But within each of us is the self-regulating Self. ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 7-9

Friday, March 23, 2018

Carl Jung on the "Golden Thread"





Dr. Jung talked about the various forms of relationship, about sexuality, about friendship (which is mitigated desire, with its obligations to write frequently and so on.).

There is a third kind of relationship, the only lasting one in which it is as though there were an invisible telegraph wire between two humans.

He said, "I call it, to myself, the Golden Thread."

This may be masked by other forms of relationship.

And other forms may be present without any such thread in them.

It is only when the veil of maya, of illusion, is rent for us that we can begin to recognize the Golden Thread.

He went on to speak of the three realities that make up the individuated state; God; the Self; and Relatedness.

Or in Christian terms: God, Father, and Son; the Spirit, or Self; and the Kingdom of Heaven.

And just as it is impossible to individuate without relatedness, so it is impossible to have real relationships without individuation.

For otherwise illusion comes in continually, and you don't know where you are. ~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 10-11.

Sunday, March 18, 2018

Carl Jung on "Supra-Substantial Bread."



He [Jung] said the Greek word translated as daily occurred in this place only, never in classical Greek, so a guess had been made as to its meaning.

St. Jerome translated it as supra-substantial bread.

Recently it had been found in the gnostic writings of some newly-discovered fragments.

There, it seemed to have the meaning of daily portion, or ration.

Here again, C. G. said, we have a contradiction, for the Lord's Prayer taught us to be concerned about our daily ration, while another time he taught, "Take no thought for the morrow, what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink or wherewithal ye shall be clothed, for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of these things."

He said he was sorry that St. Jerome's translation was not the correct one, for it was very meaningful.~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 15.

Monday, March 5, 2018

Carl Jung feels depressed




He [Jung] told us that in 1934 he had gone to Bollingen to work and had put up his yellow flag to warn Professor Fierz that he was not "at home."

He was unable to work, however.

He felt terribly depressed.

A heavy cloud seemed to oppress him.

But he kept his flag up and struggled with the oppression all day Sunday and into Monday.

At last, he pulled down the flag, feeling it was no use trying to work any longer.

Immediately, Professor Fierz came over and told him of the Nazi purge, which had taken place on Sunday morning. ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 13.

Wednesday, September 27, 2017

Carl Jung: The inferior is your master, and you must adapt yourself to it.





Dr. Jung spoke of the inferior function being united to the collective: it is just a bit of nature and, as such, must first be accepted and adapted to .... The superior function is in your hands, and you can put it to your uses.

The inferior is your master, and you must adapt yourself to it.

Yet it is nature; there is life there.

The thing that wants to be born must first be found.

The form it is to grow into shall later be the object of search, and the search may be a long one .... ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 8

Dr. Jung's dream of Hitler in 1939





Kusnacht, 8 June C G. came in, the old C. G., smiling, welcoming, with both arms outstretched.

He looked at us and said to Eleanor [Bertine] , "You have not changed."

And to me, "But you have changed." I said, "There has been a world cataclysm since I last saw you."

He himself is very little changed.

Older, yes, face a little thinner, with harder lines and planes, throwing the width and height of the head into greater prominence.

Hair a little thinner, softly wispy around his head.

He spoke of it, calling it his "feathers."

"Yes, my head is growing feathers. But the barber won't cut it."

I said, "Is it the same barber whom Zosimos tells of?"

But he evidently did not hear all I said, for he replied, "No, it is not the same one. We have one who lives just across the road."

We spoke of how glad we had been to get his letters from time to time, which had kept us in touch.

He said it had been very strange during the war in Switzerland, that little island of peace, how, in spite of the constant threat of invasion, he had not been really uneasy (putting his hand on his abdomen),
that he had always had a sense they would be left uninterferred with.

He told of their great anxiety in 1939 over the Hitler-Stalin pact, which made it look as if they would be swallowed up without doubt.

He said he had had a dream at that time:

He found himself in a castle, all the walls and buildings of which were made of trinitrotoluene (dynamite).

Hitler came in and was treated as divine.

Hitler stood on a mound as for a review.

C. G. was placed on a corresponding mound.

Then the parade ground began to fill with buffalo or yak steers, which crowded
into the enclosed space from one end.

The herd was filled with nervous tension and moved about restlessly.

Then he saw that one cow was alone, apparently sick.

Hitler was concerned about this cow and asked C. G. what he thought of it.

C. G. said, "It is obviously very sick."

At this point, Cossacks rode in at the back and began to drive the herd off He awoke and felt, "It is all right."

He emphasized that Hitler was treated as divine.

Consequently, he felt, we had to view him like that, that Hitler is not to be taken primarily as a human man, but as an instrument of 'divine' forces, as Judas, or, still better, as the Antichrist must be.

That the castle was built of trinitrotoluene meant that it would blow up and be destroyed because of its own explosive quality.

The herds of cattle are the instincts, the primitive, pre-human forces let loose in the German unconscious.

They are not even domestic cattle, but buffalo or yaks, very primitive indeed.

They are all male, as is the Nazi ideology: all the values of relationship, of the person or individual, are completely repressed; the feminine element is sick unto death, and so we get the sick cow.

Hitler turns to C. G. for advice, but he limits his comment to the diagnosis,

"The cow is very sick.

At this, as though the recognition of the ailment released something the Cossacks burst in.

Even before that, the herd had been disturbed and nervous as indeed the male animal is if separated too long or too completely from its complement, the female.

The Cossacks are, of course, Russians.

C. G. said he deduced from that that Russia-more barbaric than Germany, but also more directly primitive, and therefore of sounder instinct-would break in andcause the overthrow of Germany. ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 12-13

Carl Jung: If we are conscious, morality no longer exists.




[Carl Jung on the “Single Animus Figure.]

I began the hour by telling Jung how something wonderful had happened to me yesterday, that his talk on the animus relationship had cleared things up, so that much had clicked into place, and that now I felt quite different.

I said that yesterday we were dealing with the negative relationship to the animus, but there must also be a positive relationship.

He replied that there certainly must-but that the important part of analysis was to get that negative point cleared, for that is the growing point of differentiation from the unconscious.

Until that is clear, the voice of the animus is as the voice of God within us; in any case, we respond to it as if it were.

When we are not aware of the negative aspect of the animus, we are still animal, still connected to nature, thereforeunconscious and less than human.

We need to reach a higher degree of consciousness, which must be sought at that point.

Then we discover a new country.

And it is our responsibility to cultivate it. ("To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.")

Also the legend of Christ and the man working on the Sabbath, to whom he said, "If thou knowest what thou doest, blessed
art thou! But if thou knowest not what thou doest, cursed art thou!"

If we are conscious, morality no longer exists.

If we are not conscious, we are still slaves and are accursed if we obey not the law.

He said that if we belong to the secret church, then we belong, and we need not worry about it, but can go our own
way.

If we do not belong, no amount of teaching or organization can bring us there.

Then I asked him about a single animus figure, and he said, "Many souls are young; they are promiscuous; they are prostitutes in the unconscious and sell themselves cheaply.

They are like flowers that bloom and die and come again.

Other souls are older, like trees or palms.

They find, or must seek, one complete animus, who shall perhaps be many in one.

And when they find him, it is like the closing of an electric circuit.

Then they know the meaning of life."

"But to have an animus like an archimandrite (M.E.H. had dreamt of an abbot, an archimandrite] , is as if to say,

You are a priest of the Mysteries.

And this needs a great humility to counterbalance it.

You need to go down to the level of the mice.

And as a tree, so great as the height of its branches, so deep must be the depths of its roots.

And the meaning of the tree is neither in the roots, nor in the uplifted crown, but in the life in between them."

Then I asked him how to get the mean between the two worlds, between the world of the unconscious and that of reality.

He replied, "You are the mediator.

It is in your immediate life that they meet.

In the pleroma they are merged -in nature they are one-and the primitive is always striving up against its oneness.

The glacier is always there.

Our civilization finds an adaptation that will satisfy these things for a while, and they are quiet.

Then they begin to come up again, and again we find a new adaptation, and they are quiet once more.

Today we are in a period of great transition, and they come up again.

Eventually they will swallow man, but it will not be the same again, for he has attained the union of the opposites through their separation.

Possibly, after man will come a period of the animal and then again the plant-who knows?-and who or what will carry on the lamp of consciousness?

Who knows? ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Pages 9-10


Dr. Jung Dreams of H.G. Baynes and Winston Churchill




He twice dreamed of Baynes after his death, each time in connection with Churchill, and each time when Churchill was actually in Switzerland, though C. G. did not know this at the time.

For instance, he dreamed that he was sitting at a dinner table with Churchill or Roosevelt when a group of English officers, among whom was Baynes, in civilian clothes, came in.

At this time Churchill had landed near Zurich for his plane to refuel on his way to Africa.

A second dream was similar to the first, except that Roosevelt was not there.

This time, Churchill was spending one night in Geneva on his way to Yalta.

He told us a lot about this visit and his contact with Churchill. ~Esther Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 13

Carl Jung: Speaking of the foolishness of the wise...




Speaking of the foolishness of the wise, he said one must always recognize it but one does not know what a dream means, especially one's own dream.

For the unconscious always finds the chink in the wall of one's own theory or built-up system.

The unconscious wants to come through into consciousness, and when we build up a systematic body of knowledge we necessarily keep the unconscious out.

Nature is just what we do not know.

So, he said, in speaking of such things it is much better to use a symbolic way of speech, for that says much more-even what you do not know yourself.

If you limit yourself to known facts, what you say may be true of the thousand other cases, but just not of this one.

The truth escapes [people who] are always trying to systematize, and they have to use power to try to convince.

One must allow one's own foolishness, for Nature is naive; there is always the joke, the just-so.

[The user of] fat words cannot put it into simple language.

He is impressed with the powerful idea and tries to impress others with it.

If he were really impressed with its reality, he would stammer and get great feelings of inferiority before it.

Every true experience of the numinosum has this effect.

But such a man is afraid to show his littleness in face of the great idea.

He gets inflated and struts.

He would be shown to be really wise if he could admit that he could say nothing in the face of the great experience. (A man who is truly in love can
only stammer, "I love you.")

And yet, he said one must make a theory or system, especially for teaching purposes, only one must not take it as representing the facts.

As an illustration of the use and limitations of a formulated system, he said, it is as though you find an uninhabited island.

You must begin at once to orient yourself.

There is a mountain over there, a group of trees here, and the coastline along there.

The mountain is perhaps ten miles away, but it may be fifteen, then your calculations will be put out.

Also you do not know how high it is, so you cannot triangulate from it.

Or there may be a river between you and it that you cannot cross.

Yet you must say, "Here is a map of the island I discovered, but, for goodness sake, don't believe it!"

And you must say the same to students when you teach them the theory of analysis. ~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 15.

Friday, July 14, 2017

Carl Jung on the Assumption of the Virgin Mary



[About the Assumption of the Virgin Mary] Jung said that she has already entered into the nuptial chamber and that thus, naturally, after a time there will be a child.

The churchmen do not realize this, nor do they consider what it will mean.

They stop at the idea that there may be some sort of feminine godhead, but do not speculate on what sort of child will be born, like the child
of the Sun-Moon Woman in the Revelation ....

Over and over again, he came back to the need for humanness.

The wise man needs to give a place to foolishness, to childishness.

Otherwise he gets above his humanity and stumbles over a stone; then he goes back and kicks the stone "that ought to have known enough to get out of the way of Mr. So-and-So, while all the time he stumbled because he was not paying enough attention to his humble reality." ~E. Harding, Conversations with Jung, Page 15

Saturday, July 1, 2017

From Esther Harding’s Notebooks: 1922, 1925




FROM ESTHER HARDING’S NOTEBOOKS: 1922, 1925 Kiisnacht, 3 July [1922]

Dr. Jung spoke of the inferior function being united to the collective: it is just a bit of nature and, as such, must first be accepted and adapted to. . . . The superior function is in your hands, and you can put it to your uses.

The inferior is your master, and you must adapt yourself to it. Yet it is nature; there is life there.

The thing that wants to be born must first be found. The form it is to grow into shall later be the object of search, and the search may be a long one….

4 July I began by describing how I always had so much to say before I got into the room, so that I had to edit my thoughts allusion.

Extraverts’ language is thin and poor, but profuse, so that although what they want to say may be very slight, atleast when they have finished they have said what they set out to say, He went on to say that when speaking to an extravert he has to cut down his thought; also when he is speaking to an introvert he has to cut down, for the thought of an introvert, even if expanded into a book, would not be fully expressed. . . .

I had been trying to find out the meaning of my [slip of the tongue] and thought it was in protest against the extra difficulty of the feminine position regarding searching for the anima.

This he denied. He said a man must take up a feminine attitude, while a woman must fight her animus, a masculine attitude. I asked, “Is this why I always want to fight you?”

And he replied, “In so far as I am your animus. As far as you are identified to your animus, so far will you project him to me. And then, if you battle me with him who is demonic, I call my demon, my anima, to my aid, and it is two married couples fighting.

Then you have a hell of a row.” He said this is what happens when you get a reciprocal transference.

But that as he is not [word illegible], I need not fear that would happen to him. Then he began talking about how it happens that a professional woman lives her animus. The professional situation is new for woman and needs a new adaptation, and this, as always, is readily supplied by the animus. On the other hand, analysis requires a new adaptation from a man, for to sit still and patiently try to understand a woman’s mind is far from a masculine attitude.

The only time he does it is as lover to his mistress; he will not do so for his wife, for she is only his wife. In love, his anima shows him how.

He then takes on a feminine tenderness and uses the baby talk he learned from his mother; he calls on the eternal image of the feminine in himself. But [in analysis] that won’t do.

[The male analyst] has got to learn the feminineness of a man, which is not the anima. He must not let his masculinity be overwhelmed, or his weakness calls out the animus in the woman patient.

Similarly, the professional woman takes on the animus, the prototype of the father, and develops a god-almightiness, Tan imitation of] the hero, instead of developing the images of the female.

This animus is primitive man, and men want to react to it with their fists.

But, as this is a woman, that way is barred to them; so they shun her—just as a man who lives his anima is shunned by all really womanly women.

Dr. Jung went on to speak of the strength of womanhood, how it is stronger than any [imitation of the] male adaptation, and how a woman who is woman from the crown of her head to the tip of her toe can afford to be masculine, just as a man who is sure of his masculinity can afford to be tender and patient like a woman. . . .

Next he spoke of the Self and how it can be separated off from the demons. He reiterated that words in the realm of the spirit are creative and full of power.

I said, “You mean as Logos?” He replied, “Yes. God spake and created from the chaos—and here we are all gods for ourselves.

But use few words here, words that you are sure of. Do not make along theory or you will entangle yourself in a net, in a trap.”

Next he spoke of fear. He said, “Be afraid of the world, for it is big and strong; and fear the demons within, for they are many and brutal; but do not fear yourself, for that is your Self.”

I said I feared to open the door for fear the demons would come out and destroy.

He said, “If you lock them up they will as surely destroy. The only way of delimiting the Self is by experiment,

Go as far, as your desire goes, and you will presently find that you have gone as far as your own laws allow. If you feel afraid, be brave enough to run away. Find a hole to hide in, for this is the action of a brave man, and by so doing you are exercising courage.

Presently the swing of cowardice will be over, and courage will take its place.” I said, “But how hopelessly unstable and changeable you will appear!”

He replied, “Then be unstable. A new stability will reassert itself.

Does one live for other people or for oneself? Here is the place where one must learn true unselfishness.”

The law was made by man. We made it. It is therefore below us, and we can be above it. As St. Paul said, “I am redeemed and am freed from the law.”

He realized that, as man, he had made it.

So also a contract cannot bind us, for we who made it can break it.

This too, if entered into sincerely as a means of finding and expressing the Self, is not vice, for the fearless honesty cuts that out., But when we are bound by an artificial barrier, or by laws and moralities that have entered into us, then we are prevented from finding, or even from seeing that there is a real barrier of the Self outside this artificial barrier.

We fear that if we break through this artificial barrier we shall find ourselves in limitless space.

But within each of us is the regulating Self.

5 July I began the hour by telling Jung how something wonderful had happened to me yesterday, that his talk on the animus relationship had cleared things up, so that much had clicked into place, and that now I felt quite different.

I said that yesterday we were dealing with the negative relationship to the animus, but there must also be a positive relationship.

He replied that there certainly must—but that the important part of analysis was to get that negative point cleared, for that is the growing point of differentiation from the unconscious.

Until that is clear, the voice of the animus is as the voice of God within us; in any case, we respond to it as if it were.

When we are not aware of the negative aspect of the animus, we are still animal, still connected to nature, therefore unconscious and less than human.

We need to reach a higher degree of consciousness, Which must be sought at that point. Then we discover a new country. And it is our responsibility to cultivate it. (“To him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”)

Also the legend of Christ and the man working on the Sabbath, to whom he said, “If thou knowest what thou doest, blessed art thou! But if thou knowest not what thou doest, cursed art thou !”

If we are conscious, morality no longer exists.

If we are not conscious, we are still slaves, and we are accursed if we obey not the law.

He said that if we belong to the secret church, then we belong, and we need not worry about it, but can go our own way.

No amount of teaching or organization can bring us there.

Then I asked him about a single animus figure, and he said, “Many souls are young; they are promiscuous; they are prostitutes in the unconscious and sell themselves cheaply.

They are like flowers that bloom and die and come again. Other souls are older, like trees or palms.

They find, or must seek, one complete animus, who shall perhaps be many in one. And when they find him, it is like the closing of an electric circuit.

Then they know the meaning of life. “But to have an animus like an archimandrite is as if to say, you are a priest of the Mysteries. And this needs a great humility to counterbalance it.

You need to go down to the level of the mice. And as a tree, so great as the height of its branches, so deep must be the depths of its roots.

And the meaning of the tree is neither in the roots, nor in the uplifted crown, but in the life in between them.”

Then I asked him how to get the mean between the two worlds,! Between the world of the unconscious and that of reality: He replied, “You are the mediator. It is in your immediate life that they meet.

In the pleroma they are always…striving up against its oneness.

The glacier is always there. Our civilization finds an adaptation that will satisfy these things for a while, and they are quiet. Then they begin to .come. up again, and again we find a new adaptation, and they are quiet once more.

Today we are in a period of great transition, and they come up again.

Eventually they will swallow man, but it will not be the same again, for he has attained the union of the opposites through their separation.

Possibly, after man will come a period of the animal and then again the plant—who knows ?—and who or what will carry on the lamp of consciousness? Who knows?”

In December 1924 Jung came to the United States—his first visit since before the War—and journeyed to the Southwest.

With American friends he visited the Grand Canyon on New Year’s Day 1925, and then the party motored across Arizona and New Mexico to Taos, where Jung spent a day or two with the Pueblo Indians

He traveled back to New York through the South, and sailed for Europe on January 34.

New York, 13 January [1925] Dr. Jung gave a talk to a group at Dr. Mann’s apartment on 59th Street.’

He spoke on racial psychology and said many interesting things about the ancestors, how they seem to be in the land. As evidence of this, he spoke about the morphological changes in the skulls of people here in the U.S.A. and in Australia.

He said that in America there is a certain lack of reverence contains certain ruthlessness.

The ancestors are not considered here, their values not respected.

He spoke of the “single-mindedness” of Americans, which would be impossible to Europeans because of all the many considerations to which they must pay due regard. The American disregards these completely, is, indeed, utterly unconscious of them.

In the spring, Dr. Harding again went to Kusnacht to work with Jung.

Kusnacht, 13 May Dr. Jung talked about the various forms of relationship, about sexuality, about friendship (which is mitigated desire, with its obligations to write frequently and so on).

There is a third kind of relationship, the only lasting one, in which it is as though there were an invisible telegraph wire between two human beings. He said, “I call it, to myself, the Golden Thread.”

This may be masked by other forms of a relationship. And other forms may be present without any such thread in them.

It is only when the veil of maya, of illusion, is rent for us that we can begin to recognize the Golden Thread.

He went on to speak of the three realities that make up the individuated state: God; the Self; and Relatedness. Or in Christian terms: God, Father, and Son; the Spirit, or Self; and the Kingdom of Heaven.

And just as it is impossible to individuate without relatedness, so it is impossible to have real relationships without individuation.

For otherwise illusion comes in continually, and you don’t know where you are. ~C.G. Jung Speaking; Pages 25-31.